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No Shop Blogs Please

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For the past few days, there have been a few commercial blogs that have been seen using Ping.sg’s services.

In order to keep Ping.sg as a healthy and pleasant community for local bloggers to interact and to discover and read each others’ blogs, we have decided not to allow any commercial blogs to use our free service.

Any commercial blogs found using the service would be banned from now on. We are sorry for that and we hope you will understand our decision.

If you would like to have your commercial blog or site featured on our site, do feel free to contact us for an advertisement deal.

Thanks.

Update on Feb 9th, 2007:
Edited the title of this post to ‘No Shop Blogs Please’ from the original ‘No Commercial Blogs Please’ to avoid any unwanted misunderstandings.

What we mean by ‘shop blogs’ are pseudo-blogs that sell products by writing an entry for each product. Such sites are not truly blogs in a strict sense as they are merely using the easy-to-use blog CMS to showcase their products for sale instead of doing actual blogging. An example of what we meant by ‘shop blogs’ would be those that have majority of their posts with titles like “Sexy T-Shirt – $24.99”, “Cheapest Valentine’s Bouquet – $49.99”, etc. You know what we mean.

To further clarify this policy, do note that we have no intention of disallowing (in simple terms, we allow) the following types of blogs:
– Blogs by business or shop owners that talk about the daily operations of their respective business.
– Real blogs by real bloggers that sell or auction off stuffs occasionally. These blogs are in no way considered ‘shop blogs’.
– Blogs that serve advertisements on their sites. We do not mind if you are making millions off your blogs as long as you are truly a blogger and your blog is a true blog.

As long as it is a real blog, we have no intention of disallowing it. Please read the comments below for further clarifications.

Thanks and happy pinging!

Written by uzyn

February 7, 2007 at 12:52 am

Posted in ping.sg

20 Responses

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  1. Hey, er, I do sell my jewelry on my blog once in a while. How ah?

    Veron

    February 7, 2007 at 1:39 am

  2. Veron, it’s obvious that your blog is not a commercial blog.

    Noone would’ve thought that your blog is one.

    What I referred to mainly was commercial blogs that blogs about nothing except to display their products on sale. These blogs would have been agreed by all to be a commercial blog without any doubt.

    uzyn

    February 7, 2007 at 1:43 am

  3. hi Uzyn, are you physically filtering those blogs yourself?

    Can I suggest that you list it up on the registration page and that anyone who register will have to wait for approval by you? This may just save yourself a lot of time to remove entries manually.

    Also, not sure if I am correct but I guess not many knows that ping.sg do not allow commercial blogs as it looks like a free for all too.

    Maybe it be good to first issue a mail to them first (since have to be registered members) then from there you filter it off through new registrations?

    Paddy

    Paddy Tan

    February 7, 2007 at 2:16 am

  4. HI.. thanks for this new post about the obvious spamming of commercial blogs. I was just about to give up on ping.sg if this continues on in a day or two.

    offpoint

    February 7, 2007 at 4:26 am

  5. How about allowing ping.sg users to flag blogs/blog postings as inappropriate (eg commercial, adult)? This might be less work than having one person manually approve any new blog that gets registered.

    origamiwolf

    February 7, 2007 at 10:21 am

  6. I think you need to have clear guidelines what is a commercial blog.

    Is a splog a commercial blog?

    What is someone has adsense? That would be commercial too.

    If someone has a cancer blog and has cancer-related products for sale, and people find it useful. Would that be “commercial”?

    andrew wee

    February 7, 2007 at 11:34 am

  7. Heh, maybe in the true spirit of it being community driven you could have a ‘challenge’ function. Once a member challenges a blog, a poll on ping.sg is started and people vote…if after say, a week, more people deem it commercial, then it’s de-listed…

    Ridz

    February 7, 2007 at 11:42 am

  8. Hi all,

    I guess what Uzyn is trying to stop are blogs just blatantly posting here to create awareness for their business and selling their items. I remember seeing an online shop selling items “my treasure something” which just came in and spammed numerous pings with just entries of the pricing of a single product for each entry. If similar blogs are allowed, very soon, we won’t be able to find blogs of individual users of ping community in the front page. Remember, ping is trying to build a community and not a classified ads section.

    Currently, we are using Uzyn’s resources and there is no fee required. I don’t think it is right for business owners to use ping’s resources to make money. After all, Uzyn is the one paying for the monthly hosting and bandwidth of ping.sg which we are using for free.

    As the community grows, I expect Uzyn will need to pay more money for the bandwith usage and soon, I would expect Uzyn to develop some business model or rely on advertising revenue to sustain the continued development and hosting of ping.sg.

    Therefore, I feel it won’t be fair for business owners to use ping.sg’s resources for their own monetary benefit.

    As ping.sg is still fairly young, there will be guidelines introduced as it grows.

    Anyway, business owners are encouraged to contact Uzyn for advertisement packages. I think that is only fair.

    Cobalt Paladin

    February 7, 2007 at 12:12 pm

  9. Hi all,

    Thanks for all the feedbacks.

    Mainly the problem so far is with the direct displaying of products for sale on blogs that do not have any content except for selling of products, or in other words, the “shop blogs”.

    I do not wish Ping.sg to be turned into a marketplace where most of the pings are those from sites selling products. Company blogs that writes about the daily operation of a company is fine, but not those that advertises their products.

    I hope that you will understand that I come to this decision so to make Ping.sg a pleasant place for bloggers. Remember, the main aim of Ping.sg is for us to read each other’s blogs and to discover new local blogs and not for browsing of products for sale. None of us would want Ping.sg to turn into eBay, wouldn’t we?

    If there is enough demand, maybe I can set up a sister site for Ping.sg for the product-selling blogs.

    Anyway, don’t be worried because of this policy announcement. Ping.sg is a community site and will always be one. The policy is to further enhance this notion by causing as little trouble as possible to the good users. So far most, more than 99%, of the blogs registered on ping.sg are non-commercial blogs so there should be no problem to most of the current users. I was only alarmed when I saw a few blogs that ping their product advertisements. We should all agree that that would disrupt the pleasant community nature of Ping.sg. Who would want to see Ping.sg’s home page to be full of “Sexy T-Shirt – $24.99” or of similar titles, right?

    Thanks for all your support and understanding.

    uzyn

    February 7, 2007 at 12:20 pm

  10. Hi Uzyn,

    Is mine considered commercial? Cos I do review and promote a lot of products, but they are not mine though. :p If yes, I’ll remove it from Ping.sg.

    sesame

    February 7, 2007 at 4:08 pm

  11. Hi sesame, yours is definitely not. Thanks for asking. Your blog is obviously a non-commercial one. Personal opinions are absolutely fine, either positive or negative.

    We’re only targeting the obvious commercial blogs which mainly do not talk about anything except about products they sell.

    I guess to make things clearer, I should provide an example of a commercial blog. Referring to Cobalt Paladin’s comment above, one of such blogs would be http://www.mytreasureheart.com/

    I hope with the example it would become clear about what we mean by commercial or non-commercial blogs.

    uzyn

    February 7, 2007 at 4:12 pm

  12. Hi all,
    My intention is to challenge anyone.

    I think among all the ‘ping.sg pioneers’ many of us were here from the start.

    So I wanted to have a good idea of the definition of ‘commercial’.

    I do affiliate marketing on my blog, at the same time I provide product reviews.

    Likewise, I know some of the eBayers also blog, and feature their eBay listings on their blog.

    I think as time goes by, there will be more quantitative guidelines on what constitutes a ‘commercial’ blog, whether it’s >50% product pushing content or some other guideline.

    I guess there’s a greater degree of human editing at ping.sg, compated to say technorati, ice rocket, feedster, etc.

    So with human editing there’s more subjectivity involved, and if there’s clarification of the out of bounds areas, there’s less dispute later.

    I think it’s fair for Ping.sg to have some sustainable business model, whether it’s through web advertising or even tie-ups with a web hosting company.

    With Ping.SG having a good PR and traffic rankings, it’s prudent to monetize it.

    andrew wee

    February 7, 2007 at 7:51 pm

  13. Actually my aim is not so much on monetizing Ping.sg but to make sure that the site stays blogger-friendly. ‘Blogger’ is the keyword here. That is my main aim of starting Ping.sg initially – to create a community of bloggers, not of shopowners.

    While I hope I could come up with a set of rules as mentioned by andrew wee, I think we all have to agree that it is tough or close to impossible to come up with such set of rules as no matter how we define it now, someone’s bound to think of a way to circumvent it as time goes by. Once the rules are defined, noone would like to see the rules keep changing to suit the new spam and shop blogs would come out in the future.

    Currently all I am doing is only trying to keep the community as pleasant as possible. Serving ads or selling of ad space in bloggers’ own blogs are not of our concern even they gain something from blogging as long as they are truly bloggers and not mainly to sell things. In fact we wouldn’t mind bloggers sell or auction off their personal belongings once in awhile as long as they are truly bloggers.

    Take for example your case, your blog do serve some ads and promote some affiliate products, but we have no intention of banning your blog as you are clearly a blogger even though you may gain from your blogging activity. Compare that to the example I gave earlier, http://www.mytreasureheart.com/, isn’t the difference between a commercial and non-commercial blog obvious now? I’m not sure if we should even call the non-commercial sites as blogs as it can be clearly seen that they are not really blogs but are merely sites using the easy-to-use blogging CMS for products promotion.

    I hope my explanation helps in clearing up your doubts and I hope that the users would understand why I had to come to such policy.

    uzyn

    February 7, 2007 at 10:27 pm

  14. Uzyn,
    Sure thing.

    I, along with the other Singapore-based blogger, do appreciate the time that you and the Ping.SG team have put into this.

    It sure as heck would require more effort than the Today conversion into a RSS feed!

    andrew wee

    February 8, 2007 at 9:27 pm

  15. So you going to manually monitor the list of blogs being ping?

    You need help?

    DK

    February 9, 2007 at 12:56 pm

  16. DK, thanks for offering your help. I’m afraid I haven’t done any back-ends to manage ping.sg so far. All of my efforts are spent on the front-end only.

    Maybe you can help moderate our forum when it is up soon.

    uzyn

    February 9, 2007 at 3:22 pm

  17. Hi Uzyn,

    We’ve started a blog and listed it on ping.sg but only just noticed this post on shop blogs. We’re running a restaurant but the blog is mainly about how we started, our thoughts and knowledge about tea, more of a site to keep in touch with the frens and family of EB. Of course there’ll be posts on why we do certain promotions we put up here and there but nothing is sold online.

    Let us know if we can continue listing with ping.sg or watch for more posts first (since we’ve just started)

    Thanks!
    ebie =)

    ebie

    March 12, 2007 at 2:59 pm

  18. Definitely ebie. Welcome to join the Ping.sg community. We’re eagerly awaiting to read about your restaurant. Who knows we can even hold our next gathering there.🙂

    uzyn

    March 12, 2007 at 3:02 pm

  19. Thanks Uzyn, sure, more to come and will definitely look forward to hosting all frens of Ping.sg😉

    ebie

    March 12, 2007 at 3:27 pm

  20. Found this post only today. Personally, while I’m impressed by Uzyn’s not-for-profit emphasis for Ping.sg, I think business or shop blogs should be allowed. Perhaps put them in a separate category or set of pages – did someone mention “classifieds” above? People who are thinking of browsing or buying something can then check out these blogs easily. If necessary, perhaps can charge some yearly membership fees to fund further development of ping.sg.

    Surely, what Ping.sg need to screen out are mainly abusive, deceptive blogs and/or bloggers?

    ClappingTrees

    June 4, 2007 at 7:34 pm


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